Posted by
"Happy" Jake Greene on Monday, January 26, 2009 9:46:09 AM
Well, it’s nice to know I have readers. It’s even nicer to know that I have Leftist Flavor-Aid Drinkers who take the time and effort to read and even respond to my posts. Someone’s actually reading my stuff. That’s pretty cool.
One of my readers (though I suspect he won’t be a repeat offender) calls himself “Darren.” “Darren” is a flaming Liberal, and could, theoretically be gay, based on his response to my commentary about President Obama's Moral Cowardice.
You can tell “Darren’s” political and possibly sexual leanings by the title of his comment: “Homophobia isn’t Christian” and in the interests of fairness, I will respond to “Darren’s” points in order.
Darren: “Homophobia isn’t Christian”
Jake: Saint Paul, you know, one of the prototype Christians, had this to say about homosexuality in his letter to the Romans (Rom 1: 20-28):
Although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. While claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes. Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper.
Furthermore, Saint Paul (by the way, the word “Saint” means he’s acknowledged as being in heaven already) has this to say in his first letter to the Corinthians (1Cor 6:9-10):
Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
He also says in his letter to Timothy (1Tim: 8-10):
We know that the law is good, provided that one uses it as law, with the understanding that law is meant not for a righteous person but for the lawless and unruly, the godless and sinful, the unholy and profane, those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, the unchaste, practicing homosexuals, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is opposed to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.
Considering that calling homosexuality a “Perversity” and lumping homosexuals with thieves, adulterers, fornicators, robbers, murderers, kidnapers, liars, and perjurers, and saying that they are “opposed to sound teaching” is usually lumped into “homophobia,” I’d say that the Bible doesn’t exactly support the view that opposition to homosexuality is wrong. Strike 1.
Darren: “You gave absolutely no reason why God's call to Gene Robinson to be a minister should be thrown away…”
Jake: If you had read the articles On the Edge of Schism, Tolerance, Truth, Christianity, and Gays, and Lutherans Waffle on Gay Clergy, you would know precisely why I think that, but since you didn’t here’s the short version: Given St. Paul’s comments in three separate letters to three separate communities, as well as every other instance of homosexual sex being called “wicked” in both the Old and New Testaments, it is reasonable to presume that active homosexuality is prohibited by the Bible. Therefore, correct Christian teaching (that is, Christian teaching that follows the Bible) must include that homosexual behavior is wrong. A clergyman who is an open, active homosexual will necessarily, by his words and/or his deeds, tell his congregation that homosexuality is morally acceptable behavior. Bishop Robinson, in particular, has specifically stated that homosexuality is OK and has pushed for same-sex “marriage.” He is teaching a doctrine that is precisely counter to true Christian teaching. Someone who abuses children, has rampant, straight sexual liaisons, commits serious crimes, or preaches incorrect doctrine is also unqualified to be a clergyman. Strike 2
For what it’s worth, someone who is openly gay, but also openly admissive of the wrongness of homosexual acts, and makes a concerted effort to be chaste, would make a good clergyman. His example of strength in the face of heavy temptation would serve as a good example to his congregation.
Darren: “…are dead wrong in saying there's something "moral" about homophobia and bigotry…”
Jake: See above for opposition to homosexuality. I do not at any time say that bigotry, that is active discrimination directed at someone for any reason but qualifications, is OK. Opposing homosexual behavior is not, in and of itself, bigotry. Strike 3
Darren: “…refer to simple equality as gay ‘privledges’ (sic) which is hogwash, NOBODY is asking for anything but simple equality.”
Jake: I do not refer to simple equality as “gay privileges.” I refer to the privileges the gay activist community demands of the rest of us as “gay privileges.” Gays already have all the same rights that normal people do. They can be married (though they usually choose not to, precisely because of their sexual proclivities), serve in the armed forces (so long as they, like the rest of us, put “service before self”), have just about any job for which they qualify, live anywhere they want to, and enjoy the same protections of the law that the rest of us do. Not only that, but they can live out their peculiar sexual tendencies generally unmolested by the law, anymore.
The privileges I speak of include the privilege to legally change the definition of marriage to suit the afore mentioned peculiar tendencies. See When the Constitution is Unconstitutional for more details on that. They also include the privilege of quashing dissent. They call anti-homosexual-acts speech in churches “political” and demand that the Government take away conservative churches’ tax exemptions. They enact “hate speech” codes in colleges that are only enforced for Christians preaching against homosexuality and never against gays spouting off against Christianity. They seek affirmative action privileges akin to those already enjoyed by blacks. They think “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” doesn’t go far enough because it doesn’t allow military gays to be gay first and soldiers second. They want what the rest of us don’t get: special legal recognition of their personal preferences. So, yes, they are asking for special privileges, and a lot more than just redefining marriage. Strike 4
Darren: “You're wrong about Freedom of Choice”
Jake: I presume you mean the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA). Since you didn’t bother to say how I was wrong, let me explain why I’m right.
First off, FOCA is intended (and no one disputes this) to invalidate all state restrictions on abortion. Period. Since that’s what I said it does, I’m right.
Article 3, section 2 of the Constitution of the United States reads as follows:
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;
--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;
--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;
--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;
--to Controversies between two or more States;
-- between a State and Citizens of another State [author’s note: this clause was nullified by the 11th Amendment];
--between Citizens of different States;
--between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
[Author’s note: I arranged the section into a bulleted list for ease of reading, otherwise the text was copied directly from the National Archives website.]
The Constitution does not provide the Federal Bench the power to rule on state laws unless those laws directly violate the Constitution. A review of the entire Constitution shows that the document is silent on abortion, reproductive health, healthcare in general, or even “privacy.” So when I state that Roe v. Wade was an unconstitutional ruling, I was right.
Article 1, Section 8 reads:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the [Construction] of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
This section lists all the powers of the Congress. It does note that Congress can be assigned more powers by the Constitution, and most of the Amendments include “Congress shall have the power to enforce this amendment by appropriate legislation.” As I stated before, the Constitution is totally silent on abortion, meaning that Congress can neither allow nor restrict it without an amendment to the Constitution. So when I state that Congress can’t regulate abortion, I’m right.
The 10th Amendment reads as follows:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
This says that any power that the Constitution doesn’t expressly give to the Federal Government or expressly deny to the States belongs to the States or to the people (if the states choose not to act on that power.) So when I say that abortion must be a state matter, not a federal one, I’m right.
Combining all of that, when I say that FOCA violates the Constitution, I’m also right. Strike 5
Darren: “…and hysterically wrong about the media, but that hilarious joke of a myth has been entertaining us for decades now. Even Pat Buchanan had the honesty to say it's bogus, but so many still spout "liberal media! liberal media!" and it's such baloney, but at least entertaining baloney.”
Jake: I’m glad you’re entertained. Please provide a link to the document in which Pat Buchanan said that the media is totally unbiased. To deny the existence of a liberal wing of the media is to deny that the sky is blue. Reporters, editors, and publishers in the Mainstream Press vote democrat on a near 9-1 ratio as those who vote republican. No One can consistently write stories without some sort of personal bias. A great many Townhall and other columnists provide ample documentation to support a general leftward bias in the media. Just because you think the media’s right 100% of the time doesn’t mean they’re unbiased. Just one example of the liberal bias was the “Memogate” story. You know, the one where “respected” anchor man Dan Rather ran a story on 60 Minutes about President Bush’s alleged problems in his national guard service and based the entire story around a memo that was immediately debunked as fraudulent. Everyone in the 60 Minutes crew, from the producer, to the researchers, to Rather, himself were so willing to believe anything bad about President Bush that they ran the story without bothering to check the facts. Strike 6
Darren: “Unlike the homophobia, which truly does destroy lives and causes massive amounts of suffering while never in human history has it ever made a single person better off, this one's fairly harmless.”
Jake: I suppose “this one” means FOCA. Really. Opposing the redefinition of marriage or the ordination of clergy who do not believe what a particular church teaches destroys lives and causes “massive amounts of suffering”? Prove it. Then explain to me how much suffering gays cause themselves. What’s the expected lifespan of a gay man as compared with a straight. How many get themselves infected with AIDS, spread it to other gay men, and claim with a straight face that it wasn’t their fault? What’s the incidence of drug use among gay men? What percentage of pedophiles are gay? [Author’s note: It is in no way accurate to presume that being gay automatically makes you a pedophile any more than it is to presume that being a Muslim makes you a terrorist.]
My beliefs have harmed no one. I can actually interact with gays without any issues. You, on the other hand, Darren, are paranoid of anyone who speaks ill of gay marriage. You immediately make the mental leap from denying special privileges to a desire for Nazi-style extermination. You take what the Left preaches because you happen to agree with it, and you claim moral superiority to anyone who disagrees with the lock-step. In other words, Darren, you’re just a typical Leftist. Strike 7
HJG